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sirfrogsworth

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People love consuming the arts, but many hate the training required to create the arts. Not every art degree is created equal, but the connections you make and the experience you gain can be invaluable.

I'm not saying every artist needs a college degree for every aspect of creating art, but art is not always created solely by performers.

Perhaps there is an actor who was self taught and got a lucky break, but the cinematographer capturing that actor needed years of training. They are literally camera scientists AND visual artists.

Maybe that punk band you love only knows four chords and just screams into a microphone, but the sound engineer recording their music probably has a college degree.

Here is a video of the sound engineer for a Hamilton production.

He uses an amazing blend of technical and artistic skills to make sure the show sounds perfect during every performance.

Check out his college degree...

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thefrogman

Any other theater nerds in the house?

gilmourer

And the thing is, a degree doesn’t even have to be relevant to worthwhile. In early ‘90s (33mhz computers were fast!) I was working on a BFA (fine arts) when I got into 3D rendering, figured out how to hijack school’s new Mac lab and turn it into a distributed render farm. 30 years later I’m running super computers at a major laboratory. (only paid off school loans in 2020)

I’m all for loan forgiveness so folks aren’t dragging around a fucking millstone for rest of lives. Actually, 4 yr college should be free but wtf do I know?

lynati

I wonder how many waitresses and truckers out there HAVE degrees and couldn't find decent-paying work in their fields so they had to grab whatever was available in order to not default on their student loan payments.

Or, hell, just decided they LIKED being a waitress or a trucker better than the field they got their degree in, and would LOVE to have their student loans off their back.

How many people out there were thrilled when their friends / siblings / children / other loved ones went and got a degree, believing that it was the path to a life they'd love, and have had to watch said loved one realize that wage stagnation means they're going to be bogged down paying off their loans for decades while doing a job that in another era would have cleared their debt in two years?

Do these guys really think that all people who didn't go to college despise and want the suffering of everyone *in their lives* who DID go?

How many waitresses out there are BEGGING for student loan forgiveness to become a thing because it means their adult child could finally afford to move out of the house, and they have PLANS for the room their kid has been staying in, dammit!

pyroteknich

On the other side, how many people working on the carpentry, electrics, and costumes, and make up could not AFFORD to go to a four year college, but could go to cosmetology school, or go to a trade school, and end up supporting and being a part of the theater without a theater arts degree?

Look, in 1990 they rolled out the student loans. They wanted to get people in 4 year colleges, and they began phasing out shop classes in high schools. You can read all about the growth of student loans from 90-00 here : https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/IssueBrief-2001-Student-Borrowing-in-the-1990s.pdf

Student loans were touted as a way to get a degree, and not have to work 40 hours a week to afford it and a place to live. You get your degree, and then you get a good job, and you repay the loans in like 5 years. WHICH WAS A LIE. Because the job market CRASHED. Unless you had a degree in something like finance, business, or computers, you had to really scramble for a job. Which meant you couldn't pay off those student loans in any 5 years. Or in 10 years. Some could BARELY pay it off in 15 years. And of course, the interest accrued. So by the end, you are mostly paying off interest that never ends. (Kind of like the song that never ends, and just as rage inducing). Many people who did get student loans, started to feel like they got scammed. And since many/most of the loans were federal, they got scammed by the federal government. This also lessened our purchasing power. Meaning we couldn't afford to buy a house. Couldn't pay off a mortgage and student loans at the same time.

So, tl:dr, yes, let student loans be forgiven. For EVERYONE who is still paying them off.